Thoughts on Injustice

FlawlessEdge- wrote:

Dictator wrote:

FlawlessEdge- wrote:Dude this is what bothers me. I'm so sick of your general attitude. You think you know so much more than you do. That's not the problem though. The problem is you waltz around telling everyone they're wrong and to "do this" and "don't do that", with an underlying tone that makes people feel stupid for trying out their own shit, or relaying their individual experiences to help someone. You're a smart guy, with a good heart but you were never cut out to be leader because you don't know people, or how we work. Yeah you're good, and yeah you know about FGs, but you're too used to being right. You come along with your experience and knowledge and shit on everyone else's. People resented you for this dude and BoP failed because of all of it. This time you're not right, I recommend you quit making assumptions (the #1 being you always know best) and go back to training with KF and DD and look for ways that you could be wrong.

I know what I say is true because we have mains in the dojo for both KF and Doomsday and they happen to be players who have travelled tofrance/italy/london/boulgaria and other places to compete in tournaments. What I say about Injustice at least, comes from 99% offline experience.


There's no underlying tone, if you make a comment in a matter that I know why isn't working out for you then I'll point that shit out and that will never change. Yeah, I forgot about you specifically not wanting advice, my bad. Doesn't mean everyone else feels the same way or that there is an imaginary tone in it just because you don't want it ( which I already apologised for ). I know exactly how I word my shit because I do that on TYM as a mod. If I wanna insult someone they'll know it.

BoP didn't fail because of one person and that's a heavy accusation to make. But if this is what you or someone else as well thinks then I'll happily step aside for good from this site once I get on XBL.

My game is a lie then.. My training mode is bullshit. I want my money back.

My point exactly.. "I know I'm right".. lol. What you know about InJ is 99% second-hand information which has it's value, but ain't worth a damn until proved to yourself by your own experience. I wanted you to have to consider you might be wrong and to investigate that, but if you really need a script to follow, I'll write one for you. Go to training with KF and DD, activate 2 controllers and have DD D1 from the closest range and return to neutral stand, then try D1ing back with KF. Then try D1 D1 with DD and try to counterpoke with KF between it. Then try d1 sweep, and poke between. Try d1 > any normal and try to poke between it with KF. Then when you've done this, adjust the spacing slightly, rinse and repeat. I'm not gonna give you the results, you'll have to check them yourself. I already did the thinking for you.

You twist my point too and fail to realise people don't respond to dictation out of ANYTHING but fear or self-devaluation. We talked about egos and about being conscious of it being what's important, so get conscious dude. Its not about me or any specific situation, its about you, your attitude and approach towards people. Look at the results around you.. practically everyone wants to be away from you because you're so disrespectful. Twice you've had the wheel and twice everyone has abandoned ship.

The only people who respond to your methods are those that are already used to being ruled by an iron fist, who have been taught to bend to, and respect authority like there is such a damned thing.

You're like a robot dude. Calculations and numbers run your behaviour, and those numbers calculated there was no room for compassion. It's either black or its white, right? Like I said, you know FGs better than anyone else I know, but not 'cause you say you do, or you're the "authority" on the subject. It's because my first-hand experience has told me that. You think you know people, you think being harsh with them, putting them down or steam-rolling their opinions is gonna make people look up to you, come to you for advice and respect your knowledge and you're character? WTF are they teaching in Psych these days? odatsright, linear thought progression and imitation/regurgitation of whatever the hell they put in front of you.

Quit being a sponge, you're not a kid anymore so there's no excuse for it. Think for yourself and question everything (including everything I have said, because I could be even more wrong) and stop assuming people know things. They don't, they only believe they know things. Having knowledge is not the same as having wisdom. Wisdom is how you interpret and apply the knowledge.

I learnt so much from you, but only because I'm adept at cutting out the bullshit of how it's presented and using the raw information to conduct my own experiments and arrive at my own conclusions. I raged sometimes, blamed some things on lag when I thought they were, but I always tested it once I calmed down. You havn't been teaching people how to learn, you give them good information dressed up as inflexible, rigid instruction, mental domination by asserting your knowledge (authority) for ego purposes. You and I both see this and we both know its learned behaviour. The effects of this can be extremely harmful to people with certain complexes, and you're effectively dumbing people down with this left-brain philosophy. You said it yourself, "I annoy everyone" like it's humourous to you or something. There's an important reason for this, and I think it's because people either consciously or unconconsciously reject your methods because they stand for restriction and conformity. This goes against the nature of life which craves freedom, and open-ness. I really hope you can give this an open mind and consider what I have said. I like you, you're a good person. I want you to stick around and be friends with everyone, but not if you're not willing to atleast discuss (here or privately) the issues I have raised. This shit is real bro, and it's gonna affect you for the rest of your life.

I know this shit is long and deep (I sound like a nerd o_o, I promise you i'm not lol), but ultimately, it don't make a shred of difference to me what you do. Changes are coming. Whether you split from us all or not is your call dude.

Shadow wrote:Private? I'm sure the original plan for this thread was for anyone to discuss their thoughts on the game. Sadly, it turned in to how most threads do on here, either a discussion about the clan's situation or a discussion between two people that is irrelevant to the original post. If Edge and Ruby have a problem, they either need to sort it through PM's, or create a thread JUST for that matter.

This shouldn't be a private thread, it's some of the posts in here that should have been private.

Edge wrote:Regarding the FD, I did the exact test I described and got very different results. That's all i'm going to say on the subject because at this point, I don't even care about that.

I know the time and place was bad, and I'm sorry for that. Ruby please know I'm not trying to attack you personally, even if it seems that way. Gotta admit I don't care whether the thread stays on topic or not, it's pretty irrelevant considering the state the clan is in, and though I was a little harsh in what I said, I still think it needed to be said. I covered practically every issue that most of us have had with him. No-one else has been willing to stand up and say this shit even though most of us have thought it at some point.

BoP is over as far as I'm concerned. I'm out whether Loog keeps it going or not. Ruby is either going to stay friends with us, and be a part of this if we start new, or he's going to go to XBL and will probably just stop by once in a while, if ever, and it won't make a shred of difference what I said, or who saw it. If he is going to stay, and be a part of this, what I said is going to have to be discussed inevitably anyway, so I just got it out there.

Ruby, I was angry the way you callously disregarded everyone in BoP. It sucks that we had to find out BoP was over from a random applicant. When I asked you why you didn't tell us, you said there was no clan to tell. That did it for me, and when I saw you saying all that shit you were saying, and KNOWING you were wrong about not counter-poking DD having tested her d1 vs him for half hour just the day before, I decided I had nothing to lose by saying what I said. I still feel I have nothing to lose by saying any more, so i'm going to continue to address this subject.

When I said private, I meant send the thread to BoP discussion. There's no harm in the clan seeing what I said, just don't want random guests nosing around our business.

Ruby, we can discuss this here, or in private messaging, or not at all. Its your call. Hell, I'd even talk to you in voice chat if you wanted to. If you wanna drop this, then I will say no more, and let you and it go.

Dictator wrote:And I'll say once more and go to practice mode for the 3rd time that point blank KFs d1 still whiffs because of distance after DDs D1 on block.

Dictator wrote:Who are these people you talk about? I only know about you and taco. Anyone else? There was Santrax once but you probably don't know of him.

Dictator wrote:I don't know where you got that boogeyman dictatorship idea

Dictator wrote:but if anyone hasn't spoken their mind is not because of intimidation but intention. There were plenty of people to speak openly against me during all 3 periods when we had a flood of new members. And allow me to tell you I'm not the only one people hush about. People hush because of friendship, friendship is all about co-existing with your friends because you like them, even if they have their flaws. If someone feels violated by what I do then all they have to do is speak. I have told almost every member this individually because of all the general drama this clan had, not about me btw.

Dictator wrote:I don't remember ever being asked by you why I didn't tell you this clan was (is) dead. Yesterday you asked me if I was moving on to XBL, if I'm planning on selling my PS3 and why I'm leaving the clan hanging.

Dictator wrote:I didn't know you were under the illusion that this clan wasn't dead, that was and still is a well spread fact even by the former leader of the clan. I will apologise though for telling it to an applicant, incase loog or anyone else wanted to take over and rebuild the clan.

Dictator wrote:What is this sentence that if I go to XBL I'll only visit once in a while and not stay friends? I specifically told you it only takes me 50 seconds tops to reconnect my PS3 back in. If anyone is left hanging about Injustice then I will reply and if anyone wants help with a matchup then I'll gladly assist even though I know my offer won't be taken.

Dictator wrote:Honestly, I don't really know what you've been writing in the last page or so if you still haven't spoken abou the main issues you think the members of this clan have with me. Speak on and I'll listen, but make it your final post because tbh I've really had it with all this hidey hidey bullshit. You and anyone else who has a problem with me want to speak up and let me know? Here's your chance. Write everything you want about any problem you have and stop lurking in the shadows saying "I'd tell him this and that" and maybe then we can work together to solve our problems. This isn't towards anyone, I'm saying this generally.

No boogeymen. Just men having a useful and honest conversation. So, what do you feel people?

Edge wrote:I'll go re-check tomorrow, incase I am delusional. I hope you didn't half-test this shit by just d1ing and trying to d1 him back when he'd returned to neutral.

The people who have had these thoughts? I'd say the story tells itself. You complain nobody wants to get better, people aren't serious about levelling up. They say they wanna get better but aren't willing to do what it takes right? Hardly anyone played you, people didn't listen to you or follow your advice on the rare ocassions they did play you. You see it as people didn't want to get better because they weren't willing to learn, I see it as people wanted to get better, but didn't want to learn in only the way you thought was best for them to do so. Everyone wants to get better, even Emelie and she cares less about the games than all of us.

I remember the cross-over punish thread I made.. it had quite an enthusiastic start to it, people were interested and then you came along and shat on everything with "don't bother, its online, only this works and that works". You killed it before we even started. I asked your advice and I got it alright. Only it wasn't advice, it was instruction again. Inflexible. Dan made a really good effort and brought us something to discuss but it was too late. Nobody was interested after you shut it down. Consequently you were right, online is bullshit and things I wanted to work on weren't viable. I wouldnt have it at the time though, saying your explanation was BS because you do it all the time. What did I get in response to that? You might aswell have said "do as I say, not as I do".

Oaken hit the nail on the head when he said something along the lines of "Its different when I fight you Ruby.. I'm always conscious and I feel like im expected to perform. It don't feel like mates having casuals and it affects how I play". How many of us have felt like this? You said to me you annoy everyone, as I stated before. I can keep going dude. This is all evidence of how people feel.. It ain't like you think, people havn't all been bitching about you behind your back, all you have to do is read the story, and read the subtext of what they say.

I'm going to be straight with all of you, and this is drected at everyone reading this section. If you wanna get better at video games and fighting games especially, Ruby's way is best. Fight him often, and repetetively, learn the numbers, and do what he says, how he says it. If you are serious about just levelling up and getting better, this is the best and fastest way to do it. If you want to learn how to improve your own ability to teach yourself in general and move forward at your own pace, where the people who have more experience to guide you can help you to see the answers yourself instead of giving them to you to, then my way is better.The main difference, Ruby? Your way breeds armies, my way breeds free-thinking, intelligent people. Oh they won't be as good at video games, but they'll be happier and less dependent on someone else to make them strong.

Far be it from me to speak directly for anyone else but I see that most didn't speak up because of the status-quo. They didn't feel it was worth upsetting it because of how confrontational and defensive you can be, but tensions build over time until BAM, everything gets blown out of proportion. I doubt anyone thought it would be worth the drama, but I do. If you wanna preserve friendship, truth and integrity do that. Not bottled up feelings. People don't rock the boat over little things, and some people can feel like they're the one with the problem for feeling like they do about the little things, but that's how they build up. There's a million reasons to not speak up, only a few to do so. Its things like trust and respect that preserve friendship. I would hope any friend of mine would disagree with me and challenge me on anything if he felt I was wrong, and I would hope he would respect the fact that he could be just as wrong as he thinks I am..

You're right, I didn't directly ask you about the clan being dead. I meant to, but I took your leaving for XBL to be the reason why the clan was dead, and your answer to why you didn't announce your leaving to be the reason you didn't announce the clan's official death.

The logic here just eludes me. You said you intended to pick the clan back up. You started to with that thread and those people you sent here. Reflections and I mentioned about a whole clan reboot and you IGNORED us. Loog had no idea BoP was dead either.. We were all waiting for you, but you didn't think we even deserved to KNOW? Its clear none of us knew, so idk whats up with that "under the illusion" statement.

Again, it ain't like that dude. I meant that if you're gonna be a part of whatever it is we build, you're gonna have to fall in line with our value-system. Mike already said he's only in if the prime focus is us as a group, the relationships first and foremost. Tom and I also share this ideal, and I think its safe to say Matt and Kev do too. You're welcome to drop by as a guest anytime but I can see we will all drift apart from you gradually as you integrate into XBL and we go our seperate way with what we do.

Again, I have to say it ain't like that dude. No one is out to get you and we this isn't about anyone but you. Inviting everyone to come dump all the problems they have with you, on you, isn't going to solve anything. This isn't (or shouldn't be) about confrontation, or attacking/defending positions. The problems are not all the seperate incidents, the problem is how your values align with ours. I wanna discuss it, see if you can't see what I see, and whether your friendship with everyone here is more important to you than being good at games and winiing. Everyone can see you have good intentions, but I think your methods work against those intentions.

Edge wrote:Just tested. Dunno what you're playing dude but my version of InJ let's me counterpoke just fine. Don't even have to be at closest range. If you slide yourself into his block, tap back to get the minimum walk-back, d1 a crouching KF, leave DD in neutral crouch and d1 back without adjusting the spacing, it connects. The ONLY way I can get it to whiff is if he stands there and presses no buttons. He tries to poke again, he gets beat, he tries to sweep, beat. Standing normal? Beat.

Now tell me you did the same tests and got different results.

Dictator wrote:tell that to my bane

munem939 wrote:Now now people... Lets just all be friends

Dictator wrote:tell that to my bane